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Just like any business or life decision, individuals in a PhD program should "know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em". I have seen people attempt the PhD for up to 10 years and then quit at the end anyway. You need to be sure you still want it and that you are not doing the PhD just because others want you to.
You may just not have the ability, but you keep at it, hoping something gives. I know someone who started a PhD. I had serious doubts that he could do it, with his family, work, and church commitments. I admit I was not forceful enough in my advice, instead it was more of a gentle questioning.
Well, he chose to go ahead, and took almost 2 years of courses before finally withdrawing from the program. I think some do the PhD because of an internal need to be 'recognized' as an academic. For me, as much as I love academia, I'd gladly exchange my PhD for a couple million dollars ;-) I have no 'need' to be recognized, but a strong need to pay the bills.
My point is that you should constantly evaluate where you are and where your passion is. If you no longer have passion for the PhD, quit and move on; find what you're passionate about. Do you know of anyone who made this decision? Was it the right one?
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It absolutely makes sense to quit the PhD or some other work track if it no longer makes sense for you. If a promising corporate or entrepreneurship opportunity comes up that makes more sense, go for it. If you are no longer happy, by all means get out of it and do something else.
That makes it all the more important to "get it right first time" or really spend time deciding whether you want to do the PhD before you begin. Do the financial calculations, think about your motivation for wanting the PhD, and understand whether the subject or the PhD track is something you are passionate about. Like anything else, some start the PhD for the wrong reasons:
"It's easy, if Sally could do it, so can I..." "People would respect me more with letters behind my name.."
Yes, people generally respect the letters, but that's not sufficient reason to do it. Also, the PhD, like most other things, is NOT easy. It is lonely, hard work, with you having the lowest status in the department. It's tough making photocopies for Professors if you've already had a few years in a corporate position.
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Sometimes we may get discouraged and think of giving up when in reality we have it in ourselves to complete our PhD. It might be useful to have an open discussion with people who have seen our work and seektheir advice before quitting.
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kbhatia003 wrote: Sometimes we may get discouraged and think of giving up when in reality we have it in ourselves to complete our PhD. It might be useful to have an open discussion with people who have seen our work and seektheir advice before quitting.
kbhatia, you're quite right, we can never get too much advice from knowledgeable and capable people. One of our issues is that we are so close to our work and travails that we have lost sight of the strategic view, or in other words, "we cannot see the forest for the trees." A fresh set of eyes and an independent opinion can offer fresh and valuable perspectives of where we are and how well we are doing getting to where we'd like to be.
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I dont agree, that you should give up the Ph.D if some other opportunity comes up. You need to ask yourself why you got into the doctoral program in the first place. If it was because you like research and teaching and be a master of your domain (to a large extent), then you are in the right field. I have seen so many people regret quitting, because they wanted to make a fast buck in industry. However, if you got into the program because you did'nt know what else to do, then by all means quit. The doctoral program is not for you.
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I think the bottom line here is "get it right the first time"... the PhD is not to be entered into lightly. Spend enough time, shadow a PhD student, shadow a Professor,which should be easy enough to do if you are in a Bachelors or Masters program. Ask questions. You don't want to waste years of your life and not get the PhD you worked hard for. Make sure you have the analytic and statistical skills and aptitude if you are in the social sciences and the mathematical skills if you are in Engineering. Get advice from all possible sources.
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It is not so easy to get it right first time. Shadowing somebody will only show the interesting bits - it will not show the isolation of sitting infront of a computer screen for days, the long hours, effect on your social life (the phrase work-life balance gets laughed at!) and the hours sat in a windowless lab staring at a machine that might not be quite working as well as hoped - yes I'm currently doing a PhD! I researched a lot before making the decision, but never fully appreciated that I'm quite a social person and have since realised that academia is too isolating for me.
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The PhD is all of this: isolation, grief, loss, future challenges, extended family, loneliness, distant friends, humility, life and work. You should know all that swinging. One of my teachers said: "We need to know if what you are doing is interesting for the industry." therefore there is a small bridge. And then it depends on the country. In the U.S., it's beautiful. But in Europe, a PhD is .. boo! In Africa, it is worth nothing in terms of future challenges. There.
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For the United States then, does the current recessionary environment make a PhD more or less attractive?
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Good question. In some fields the cyclical nature of the demand for graduates as well as the hiring patterns can impact, if the recent Ph.D can get a job. You need to be aware of your environment. Understand the cycles. If for example you are in field where there is a hiring freeze, either switch fields, within college, or consider taking a leave of absence, or slow down the process and concentrate on some publications as well as course work
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I did quit my PhD in the writing up stage but regreeted it - writing an artcile for the Guardian on unfinished PhDs I realised how much thus had affected me and certainly my employment propsects, so I have returned to complete it 23 years later!
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mirving001 wrote:I did quit my PhD in the writing up stage but regreeted it - writing an artcile for the Guardian on unfinished PhDs I realised how much thus had affected me and certainly my employment propsects, so I have returned to complete it 23 years later! This is an interesting story. I'm interested in finding out how you were affected by stopping. What are your plans if you do complete the PhD?
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If there still legal slave labors now, they are those PhD candidates in the America Universities!
America has been changed from the explorer era. "Play fair" is not the ethic essence for many people here anymore. Many are proud of the mixing pot to accept all from the world. At meantime, many busters were imported from the possible ugly corners of the world. When these things became the full tenure professor, they start to take advantage of those who want have a degree especially for foreign students.
I am one of the victim. I learned this is so true for many students. One of my colleges said the only thing worth it is that after went through the mental torture, humiliation, depression, you can conquer any difficulty in the human world!
I told the pig I quit and would ask the school to evaluate my work. He called me 10 times in a day and promised to help me finish by doing one more work! Now the cycle restart again. I will quit at the end of this semester if he change his pig mind again to ask more!
Science on many compus even top schools has turned to be a joke! Terrible slave work driving by a virtual desire for a glorious degree inead of a wipe is so popular.
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Unfortunately, your story is one that is repeated quite often in colleges and universities across the US (and world). The PhD student is quite often misused and abused as a form of cheap labor.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but happy that after taking a stand, you hopefully will get to complete your PhD.
However, don't let anger push you towards hasty decisions. In addition, document any abuses by this faculty member, including emails. If things turn bad, these may help you.
Pick your battles carefully and don't respond to everything. Try to find other sympathetic members from the faculty, administration, and your committee.
I hope things go well for you.
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