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Nancy F.
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:18:02 PM Edit Delete Quote
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In my university, there is no real retirement age that I'm aware of. I think we have a couple of faculty who are in their 80s. Basically, if you can stand up and teach, you can do it until the day you die if you're tenured.

The effect of this is that many universities have experienced the "graying" effect and have become top heavy, especially in the Professorial and Associate Professor ranks. For many of these faculty, their best days of research and teaching are well behind them.

I'm beginning to wonder whether this has any effect on promotion and tenure decisions. Hiring seems to be more inhibited now, as older folks retire later, especially now due to the recession.

In addition, there is the aversion of administrators and senior faculty alike to have everyone a general (i.e., Rank of Professor and Associate Professor) and no 'troops' (assistant Professors). Is this happening at your university? What do you see?
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Susan Cusak
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 08, 2009 6:45:06 AM Edit Delete Quote
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One reaction of many universities to this phenomenon is to try to dismantle the institution of tenure. If you do not have tenure, you do not have to be top-heavy. Like many organizations, you can keep the best of the top ranks and let the rest go (that's the rationale)....

Faculty will fight this all the way though, like any group would if their privileges are attacked... Therefore, many Presidents prefer to build parallel institutions to existing tenured faculty e.g., "Professors in Residence", Adjunct Professors and new, untenured positions. So while they recognize that they cannot fire the tenured faculty, they just reduce the number of new ones...

Have you seen this on your own campus?
csimmers001
#3 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 4:31:00 PM Quote
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Another way to go about it might be to make retirement more attractive or better yet, to adopt a model of career development throughout the university, so that from the beginning of our time at an institution, we plan towards retirement and the "organizational culture" is such that retirement will take place. I'm not sure it is tenure per se, but the culture that creates adversarial relationships.
jallen001
#4 Posted : Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:55:26 AM Quote
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csimmers001 wrote:
Another way to go about it might be to make retirement more attractive ...

That's a great point made here. All across the country, universities are developing more severance and retirement packages for long-term tenured faculty in order to either reduce the percentage of tenured faculty or freshen their ranks with younger, more research-active faculty. In these current economic times however, there is no incentive for faculty to accept such offers, unless they are made very lucrative.

I read an offer a couple years from one of the University of California System universities offering tenured faculty 90% of their current salary for life if they retired. I wish I'd been made such an offer, which I would have promptly accepted Dancing With California's finances today, I don't think they will be so generous.

What kind of retirement/severance offers have you heard about at your university?
vbebee001
#5 Posted : Monday, August 24, 2009 6:48:21 AM Quote
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In a university I know quite well, they have made repeated offers to older faculty (over 70 years old) and occasionally, an older professor will accept a sweetened offer - typically 3 x annual pay (from the gossip, it is never disclosed publicly). It makes sense if you are well-off financially, have passed the retirement age, and have other things you would be happier doing. Some types though, would never consider a severance package - being a Professor is a crucial part of their self-image. Take that away and they probably wouldn't live too much longer.
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